Bnp with egg on their face

i know theirs already a topic for intresting news storys but this is sooo deserving of its own topic for descution

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8091605.stm

basicaly nicks all happy and having a press conferance about how the media is spreading lies about the bnp then a 100man+ mob turn up and egg him.

Donna Guthrie from Unite Against Facism wrote:We don't believe in free speech for fascists

Oh fuck off and die you fascist cunt!

im realy looking forward to the Nick Griffin vrs prescot egg vidio that some ones bond to make

i really enjoyed the video, but i really hated their response.

free speech needs to be an entitlement for everyone or else it is not free speech at all. you don't need to make yourself out to be such a stupid cunt when you argue the rights of anothers free speech during protest. Donna Guthrie strikes me as an uninformed, unintelligent bandwagon jumper to be so ready to protest but not even understand what it is she is really protesting.

the bnp should be allowed to state their claims, the protest didn't need to be about that, what free speech entitles people to do is protest should they feel they are being misrepresented.

Nick Griffin talks about the British people, how afraid we are, how we feel like second class citizens, we feel as though we're getting a raw deal, and I think it's safe to say that this large group of people don't agree with this. This shouldn't be about stopping him from speaking, it should be about arguing against his point.

I'd best stop talking now before AntiFa murder me in my sleep to promote tolerance.

i keep reading antif as anti flag and it makes me laugh every time i make the mistake

oooooooooooo-baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-maaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!



i tried to find a googleimage of those stickers they were posting up around leeds to back up my point but i couldn't find it

For everyone else, they had stickers with drawn images of antifa shooting fascists on their knees, executioner style.

In a lot of cases, anti-fascists arejust as bad as their fascist counterparts. I'm sick of hearing about them to be honest. There seems to have been a large increase of people joining the anti-fascist 'movement' recently.

Cap'n Lee wrote:i really enjoyed the video, but i really hated their response.

free speech needs to be an entitlement for everyone or else it is not free speech at all. you don't need to make yourself out to be such a stupid cunt when you argue the rights of anothers free speech during protest. Donna Guthrie strikes me as an uninformed, unintelligent bandwagon jumper to be so ready to protest but not even understand what it is she is really protesting.

the bnp should be allowed to state their claims, the protest didn't need to be about that, what free speech entitles people to do is protest should they feel they are being misrepresented.

Nick Griffin talks about the British people, how afraid we are, how we feel like second class citizens, we feel as though we're getting a raw deal, and I think it's safe to say that this large group of people don't agree with this. This shouldn't be about stopping him from speaking, it should be about arguing against his point.

I'd best stop talking now before AntiFa murder me in my sleep to promote tolerance.

Yeah.

But.

The facists still use violence on the streets, albeit less so than in the 80s/ early 90s...and a good place to find them and fight back is when they have their wee meetings...obviously I don't mean things like this wee press conference.

Also, whatever you argue against people like the BNP, they will just sidestep the issue and tell another lie...they are lie machines...

UAF seems to be sponsered by the state in order to serve the state anyway.

Anyway: Heres a controversial thing for you to argue about while Uncle Dan is away: think about the number of people that like the Spice Girls compared to that like Capdown. The Nazis may not have had the majority vote initially, but after they manouvered into power, they enjoyed mass cooperation and support from the populace in Germany and further abroad. So...if the majority of the population were dumb enough to vote for the BNP...or lets make it a bit more clear cut...the NF if they were still about...would it be right to go against democracy and fight against them anyway? Discuss.

no, of course not. If the majority of britain want the NF in place, then britain should be ruled by the NF, thats how democracy works. I wouldn't stay though.

Feltch, enjoy your +1, they're called extremists for a reason

Lee's right, of course not. Banning them from parliament or not giving them the right to speak their mind would make you as bad, if not worse than them.

This discussion just reminded me of something:

Someone on Youtube wrote:Its interesting how accurate this scene really is. The Nazis are uniformed, clean cut, and state their case clearly.

The crowd however is shouting obscenities and has to be subdued by the police because they would like nothing better than to be violent and prevent others from exercising their right of free speech.

Something occured to me when I was walking back from the shops.

It says here: http://www.antifa.org.uk/foundstat.htm that antifa "do not aim to fetishise it [violence]...nor will we allow a hierarchy to develop based on the kudos of street-fighting."

And yet they often seem to do exactly that, like those stickers Captain Lee was on about.

blues brother rep

I love that film. But Illinois Nazis? I hate Illinois Nazis.

Cap'n Lee wrote:no, of course not. If the majority of britain want the NF in place, then britain should be ruled by the NF, thats how democracy works. I wouldn't stay though.

Feltch, enjoy your +1, they're called extremists for a reason

So what does that say about the Eidelweiss Pirates and more hardcore resistance in Germany and vastly cooperative occupied nations during the Hitler years?

i assume you're replying to the second statement I made (they're called extremists for a reason)

I feel this is a pretty black&white issue, either they were commiting illegal and violent acts to protest, in which case they were extremists, or they didn't and they aren't.

It's a bit like justifying murder to me, there are cases where it would be a greater good (guy is going to kill innocents etc), but it still would not be justifiable in my eyes.

I really wish people would stop inviting me to stupid facebook groups that seem to think theyll be able to stop the BNP doing what they're doing by the sheer number of people that join the group on a social networking site.

I got one this morning entitled-'get the BNP out of yorkshire'

On 7 June 2009, the racist BNP won a seat in the European Parliament, winning over 120,000 votes in Yorkshire & Humber (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8088133.stm).

Andrew Brons MEP is a former member of both the National Socialist Movement and the National Front, and his BNP profile claims that "Andrew is implacably opposed to our membership of the European Union and, if elected as an M.E.P., he would work to expose the activities and corruption of the E.U. to strengthen Britain’s case for withdrawal" (http://bnp.org.uk/2009/03/andrew-brons/)

Yorkshire has traditionally been left-wing, and it's about time it returned to its roots - GET THE BNP OUT OF YORKSHIRE!

And then it lists 'useful links' to anti fascist websites. I'm not really sure what they expect me to do here at all. It doesnt mention anywhere how the facebook group, that apparently 5 of my friends are part of, intends to eject the BNP from yorkshire.pure nonsense.
Urgh theres so many ignorant comments and annoying people posting on it too.

The irony of the Facebook campaigns in particular is that I'd put big money on betting that a very small proportion of those that join the groups actually voted in these recent elections.

im telling you all the cool kids rage quit facebook

why cant every one go back to beeing msn whores, that had a block button and isnt anoying

I heard on the local news this morning that a few business men in Luton are petitioning to stop extremists (any sort) from practicing their freedom of speech in their town.

Erm, it doesn't work like that. "We're allowed to say what we want but you can't."

Animal Farm springs to mind.

tbh id love to see the bnp adapt to that

"Most of the jobs in britain should be for britinish people!"

and then the antifashists

"well alow you to be rasist 3 or 4 times a week in public but any more and you will get a mild beating!"

The Amazing Fletch wrote:I heard on the local news this morning that a few business men in Luton are petitioning to stop extremists (any sort) from practicing their freedom of speech in their town.

Erm, it doesn't work like that. "We're allowed to say what we want but you can't."

Animal Farm springs to mind.

My home town makes me so proud sometimes.

It cannot be denied surely that there must be a militant response to facism in a self-defence capacity at least...because you might not want to clump 'em, but they sure as fuck want to clump you.

"It cannot be denied surely that there must be a militant response to facism in a self-defence capacity at least...because you might not want to clump 'em, but they sure as fuck want to clump you"

(Not going to comment on the quote, just thought that it was so good that it should be here twice)

The BNP must be rubbing their hands together at the action the UAF have taken against them over the last fortnight. They now look non-violent, reasonable and democratic in comparison. The UAF have also shown that angry, unnactractive, 9/11 conspiracy believing students are every bit as facist as they claim the BNP to be.

Nearly 1 million people voted across britain for the BNP. They can't all be Nazis, casting protest votes or want to "clump" you. Mind you, you might just have one of those faces

when the nazis took power they took 43% of the vote in germany, does that mean u cant call 43% of the people in the country who voted nazis?
if you vote for the nazis you are showing them support and allegiance therefore you are a nazi.
The bnp practise nazi ideology therefore clearly are the same difference, just thankfully without the inteligence of hitler and his henchmen.


Antifa are just a bunch of thugs though, this is true extremists on either side are, most of them prolly dont care much if at all about the cause be it the left or right wing, they just want to cause trouble and fight.

MidlandsDan wrote:It cannot be denied surely that there must be a militant response to facism in a self-defence capacity at least...because you might not want to clump 'em, but they sure as fuck want to clump you.

wrong. just wrong.

Quigzy wrote:The BNP must be rubbing their hands together at the action the UAF have taken against them over the last fortnight. They now look non-violent, reasonable and democratic in comparison.

you were doing really well at this point so i'm just going to quote this chunk. it is the complete argument against what dan said and i couldn't have said it better myself. bnp have played the victim for a long time and all of those antifascist fascists have done is made them one. i don't think it's the point quigzy was trying for exactly but he accidentally hit the nail on the head anyway.

Reel Big Moosey baby wrote:when the nazis took power they took 43% of the vote in germany, does that mean u cant call 43% of the people in the country who voted nazis?

I don't think it would be fair to call whatever percentage of people in the uk who voted bnp (hang on, i'll check) 6.2% of the voters racist/nazis etc. i would say they've been duped if anything. take a look at their campaign video, it was a pure guilt trip, it accused anyone who would think of voting otherwise as being anti-england and someone who would turn their backs on the people who fought in world war 2.

if you showed me that video and told me 6.2% of voters would be fooled by it, i'd believe you, if you told me that 6.2% of people would watch spinal tap and think it was real i'd believe you. some people are just stupid, some people are easily guilted and some actually do believe that we fought the 2nd world war to keep out darkies, they all fit snugly into this 6.2%

also, the reason 6.2% was enough was because of a lot of "protest, don't vote" bullshit. voting was down a significant amount, meaning fewer votes made a higher percentage.